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Fuzzie · Jul 13, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

This thread gave me a good laugh

/notsigned

mage767 · Jul 13, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

I think guil leaders should not earn any commission at all.

Rather:

1. There should be a Guild treasury.
2. The treasury gets 5% of all the sales made by NPCs at a Guild Hall.
3. Sales occur when members SELL (not BUY) items or services at a guild hall.
4. The guild leader or officers CANNOT use the money collected by treasury for personal use.
5. The money can only be used to buy additional NPCs or more guild halls, or used for party items.
6. Party items will benefit everyone present at a guild hall.
7. Only the guild leader can determine when and how the money is spent.

Lady Raenef · Jul 13, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

1. There should be a Guild treasury.
2. The treasury gets 5% of all the sales made by NPCs at a Guild Hall.
3. Sales occur when members SELL (not BUY) items or services at a guild hall.
4. The guild leader or officers CANNOT use the money collected by treasury for personal use.
5. The money can only be used to buy additional NPCs or more guild halls, or used for party items.
6. Party items will benefit everyone present at a guild hall.
7. Only the guild leader can determine when and how the money is spent.

Something more simple. A treasury that gets 5% of the sales at NPC's, such as the crappy whites you sell to your merchant, he makes profit. Guild leaders and officers (don't put people you don't trust as an officer, duh.) can spend the money on guild related things. If all NPC's are bought, for example, it just tends to build up. Until the guild leader decides to buy a new guild hall or cape. It'd be great to have people moan and go "I want the three million gold our treasury has."

I'd buy thousands of capes. For the hell of it.

quickmonty · Jul 13, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Wow, I sense potential jealousy if this does happen. NO one is telling players to pay guild leader anything. And most of you are actually exagerrating the idea than for what it really is.

Player goes to guild hall, decides to purchase and ecto for 3.900k the npcs automatically give a 10% cut. Nothing major about it. Most guild leaders get the full halls just to attract more members anyway.

Jealousy? I'm a guild leader. Have been for about three years. There is NO way I would except this. I GIVE stuff away to any guild or alliance member that needs it. How is there any jealousy in that?

Also, your OP suggests 50 to 25% cut. Now, because of negative responses, you are reducing it to 10%?

Our guild got all the NPC's because we (all the guild members) wanted to. We all chipped in. The hall belongs to the members, not me. For that matter the guild belongs to all the members. It is not MY guild.

I think you are a very selfish, greedy person that needs to rethink the concept of playing games with friends.

crazybanshee · Jul 23, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

wow /notsigned

imho dumb idea - the guild leader may not even be the person who paid to put the merchant in the hall

if you want discounted crap go win a town

Puebert · Jul 23, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

No way. If you don't care about the guild enough to pay for those, then it should show.

Edit.
Ugh, I looked at the month of the tread, but not the year.
Eff.

Haxor · Jul 23, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Initial costs:
100g: Guild Creation
100g: Invite account B
100k: Rare material trader
10k: Celestial Sigil

Total setup cost: 110,200g

Buy price per ecto: 4.5k
Sell price per ecto: 3.6k

25% of each purchase goes to guild leader (account A) - 1,125g/ecto

Slow person: 2 seconds per ecto to buy, 15 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~45 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 45 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 15 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~45 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 1 minute, 45 seconds (105sec) for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~34 (3,600/105) x 3.95k = ~134.3k

Regular person: 1.5 seconds per ecto to buy, 10 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every 1.5 seconds - takes ~33 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 33 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 10 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every 2 seconds - takes ~33 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 1 minute, 16 seconds (76sec) for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~47 (3,600/76) x 3.95k = ~185.6k

Fast person: 1 second per ecto to buy, 5 seconds to trade money.

Account B buys 1 ecto every second - takes 22 seconds to spend 100k. (22 ecto/100k)
Account A has received 24.75k during these 22 seconds.
Account A trades money to account B for next set of purchases - 5 seconds
Account B sells 1 ecto every second - takes 22 seconds to make 79.2k
Rinse and repeat.

This takes 49 seconds for 3.95k profit.
Per hour (3,600 sec) this means ~73 (3,600/49) x 3.95k = ~288.3k

No more farming. Sign me up.

Martin Alvito · Jul 23, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Nah, because then the Communist Trader (TM) runs out of ecto. Figure that everybody smart runs the math and starts doing this.

So what happens is like the day that the traders got reset back in '05: trader runs out and there are lines of people waiting to collect the free money from each transaction. Basically, every guild hall looks like a Leningrad bread line for a week.

Eventually, ecto hits a point where the spread is 25% or greater and we get a new price floor for ecto. (I think there's one that's 11k sell/8k buy. I KNOW there's a 5500/3800 one, but it seems to be fragile.)

The Savage I · Jul 23, 2009, 07:20 PM // 19:20

not signed, bad quality

upier · Jul 23, 2009, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Your's truly is the fanta-fabulous GL of JUNK!
The only reason why they gave me this honor is because all the other guys are lesbians at heart - and they couldn't create a good looking cape if their life depended on it.
I didn't buy a single merch.

Can you see where I am going with this?
I'll just say no to this.

Jeez!
Look at my crappy spelling skills a year ago.
I spellt "yes" with the letters "no".

WTF girlfriend, WTH!??!??!

Haxor · Jul 23, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Y'know, I didn't even notice this was from '08. Damn.

lilDeath · Jul 23, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

What's with all the thread rezzing lately?

omf... no no no

/HELL NO NOT SIGNED

Yawgmoth · Jul 23, 2009, 11:15 PM // 23:15

This idea is terribad and the thread should be closed.

There are FAR better things that could be done to improve the guilds and guildhalls but this thread doesn't deserve to have them posted in it.

Necromas · Jul 24, 2009, 12:03 AM // 00:03

NOOOOO.

The economic reasons have already been explained, but also because it would reduce outpost population since people would always go to guild halls instead of anywhere else to use merchants.

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 24, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

As a guild leader, I can safely say that (after a year's worth of careful consideration) there have been many dumb suggestions, but very few have been as bad as this one.

Short · Jul 24, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Jealousy? I'm a guild leader. Have been for about three years. There is NO way I would except this. I GIVE stuff away to any guild or alliance member that needs it. How is there any jealousy in that?

Also, your OP suggests 50 to 25% cut. Now, because of negative responses, you are reducing it to 10%?

Our guild got all the NPC's because we (all the guild members) wanted to. We all chipped in. The hall belongs to the members, not me. For that matter the guild belongs to all the members. It is not MY guild.

I think you are a very selfish, greedy person that needs to rethink the concept of playing games with friends.

This. I mean, seriously, quite obviously just an idea for you to get more money from your guildies merching.

Awex Mafyews · Jul 24, 2009, 03:02 PM // 15:02

If anything it should be the person who bought the NPC that gets a small cut of the money
but tbh its a bad idea all around.

/notsigned

Need More Donuts · Jul 25, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Sounds kind of like taxes and no one likes taxes.....
Besides players would likely avoid using there-said merchants if they knew where their money was going

Div · Jul 25, 2009, 02:42 AM // 02:42

87.3% of guild hall NPCs are bought by someone other than the guild leader.
58.2% of guild hall NPCs are bought by someone who is no longer in the guild anymore.
Only 0.42% of guild leaders buy all the guild hall NPCs.

So tell me why should guild leaders be the ones that get commission?

P.S. 63.5% of statistics is made up on the spot, but you get the point.

Arghore · Jul 25, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Gives CrazyBanshee a reward for resurrecting this silly thread after a year, reading through it made me rofl lol and lmao though

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/not signed for obvious reasons